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Post by dairiuschi on Dec 7, 2011 17:35:25 GMT -5
Hey, I was looking over the system and remember about a year ago I wrote up an idea for SEP point buy and sent it to Dire_Revenant on giantitp, but never got a reply. Just had it float back into my mind due to a game I am gonna be in, and decided to throw it out there in case anyone else thought it made sense.
For this we are going to treat each SEP step as an equivelant even attribute, so that each one is essentially based off the modifier for the "SEP Attribute"
1 is a 4, the lowest even number a PC can have.
2 is 6
3 is 8
4 is 10
5 is 12
6 is 14
7 is 16
8 is 18, the highest natural number a PC can have.
This would alter the amount of points you use for creation, of course. In another 3.5 supplement where the Appearance stat is introduced they suggest adding 5 to the pt buy, to afford any player not wanting to spend more or less on it to have a 13, well odd numbers don't exist here, so it'd be 4-6 likely.
This allows a player to have a 5-6 SEP without having to spend more of their points, higher by draining their 6 basic attributes, or let SEP take a hit to increase any of their other stats.
Not the cleanest system, and I haven't exactly run a lot of numbers, but it seemed like a simple enough fix.
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Post by ultima22689 on Dec 7, 2011 23:59:15 GMT -5
I think this is a good idea, I felt that leaving it to the dice only, was always a tough pill to swallow. As point buy always does, it's good that it allows you to build whatever character you want.
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Post by ultima22689 on Dec 9, 2011 6:34:43 GMT -5
Figured more folks would have something to say bout this other than me, good idea here...
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Post by falleneco on Dec 9, 2011 7:37:10 GMT -5
I also like this idea...but if I recall, they were messing about with SEP Progession system and they didn't want to put it on the wiki if they were going to just remove it anyway.
Still...it is such a head ache avoidier.
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Post by dairiuschi on Dec 9, 2011 16:57:13 GMT -5
Well I originally pitched this idea to Dire_Reverant little over a year ago on giantitp, but never got word back so I assumed he either was uninterested or had something better.
Year later, when the system changed to what it is now(vast improvements, certain things I disagree with but that's gonna happen with any system), and that "I need to incorporate SEP into point buy sometime." was still there...just figured it was worth posting again.
The numbers lined up rather well, assuming the new SEP progression still has 8 steps it could easily be adapted, but the 4-18 thing worked nicely(technically 3 is the lowest a player can have, but I was treating each step as the next modifier, so only on even numbers).
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Post by TheMageKing on Dec 11, 2011 3:17:12 GMT -5
Hm... How about making 3 the basic score, and then having additions or reductions based on it?
Like 8 is the score for abilities. You know?
Derp'd. Seems legit to me. I say we use this.
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Post by The Dire Reverend on Dec 11, 2011 4:25:02 GMT -5
About the PM, I remember only getting a message along the lines of "Hey I got a cool point buy system wanna see it?" and then I replied "Sure send it to me" and I never got a reply back. Maybe the site failed and never sent it to me. Anyways, it's not a big deal now.
Btw, 3 is the lowest a character can have via rolling. 8 by point buy, which leads me to:
There are no rules for the cost of an ability under 8 points, because that is the lowest you can have with point buy. To make it more simple, could we make it so
8-9 is SEP score 1; 10-11 is SEP score 2
12-13 is SEP score 3; 14 is SEP score 4
15 is SEP score 5; 16 is SEP score 6
17 is SEP score 7; 18 is SEP score 8
or something like that.
Also, remember that since you have one extra ability (and an important one at that) you should be given more Point buy points to spend
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Post by dairiuschi on Dec 11, 2011 4:30:36 GMT -5
I set up the numbers I had for the sake of keeping everything based off modifiers, so each step was only changed if you could afford the next highest even nmber, and so there were no questions of "Can I spent one of my 4th level points on it?" or somesuch. Also: I addressed the extra points thing, it's right under the table  |
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Post by dairiuschi on Dec 11, 2011 4:35:24 GMT -5
Also Dire: Here is the exact PM I sent, December 15th 2010
"give 4 additional points at creation for this ruleset, and give every player a starting SEP rating of 3(minimum of 1d6+2) like how all abilites are 8 before purchasing increases.
raising it to 4 is the same as raising a stat to 10(2 points)
raising it to 5 is like a 12(4 points)
raising it to 6 is like 14 (6 points)
raising it to 7 is like 16 (10 points)
raising it to 8 is like 18(highest at creation) (16 points)
attribute points for leveling shouldn't be allowed to be put into SEP, only feats could increase it after creation.
with this setup, if someone used the normal amount of points for that particular point buy, they'd always have 4 for SEP, netting an average person's SEP at 5, lower if they want stronger attributes, higher if they would like to sacrifice feats, or starting stats for it."
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Post by ultima22689 on Dec 11, 2011 5:03:22 GMT -5
If you do it so, in order to have an average reiatsu score, then you're going to have people hurting for points in point buy, outside of increasing the point buy by a substantial amount. I think that the version BoM posted is more ideal.
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Post by dairiuschi on Dec 11, 2011 5:19:57 GMT -5
Hmm, a 12-13 being 3 would line up with the only other 'additonal attribute' guidelines of giving 5 more pt buy(allowing a 13 if nothing else is invested). This would give all characters a 'base' SEP of 3, or more if the GM decides to give a higher pt buy. That actually does sound better now that I gave it a second over, either way, glad to see my original idea was not so bad Also Ultima: Did you mean Dire? BoM hasn't really posted anything here >.> |
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Post by blackestofmages on Dec 11, 2011 5:31:25 GMT -5
@ Ultima: do you mean someone else, or are you talking about the SEP table I posted in the private sector? I be confused |
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Post by The Dire Reverend on Dec 11, 2011 6:27:40 GMT -5
@dairisuchi: Yeah, I dunno what happened about that PM. I might have just missed it because I don't remember it, and I would have shown it to Ava for her opinion.
@bom I think Ultima just mistyped, maybe he will clarify later today.
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Post by ultima22689 on Dec 11, 2011 8:46:54 GMT -5
Yeah, that was a typo, posting in the middle of the night, or the morning with no sleep after half a bottle of whiskey is no good....
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Post by Ava on Dec 11, 2011 19:42:00 GMT -5
Yeah, we've discussed point buy for SEP, and I like it.
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