|
Post by Nerameshu on Nov 30, 2011 21:02:02 GMT -5
I would imagine to account for Ginto and other things. Quincies aren't just archers, they're a skillful class with minor spellcasting abilities.
|
|
|
Post by Major on Nov 30, 2011 21:02:30 GMT -5
They should still be able to hit things with a bow...
|
|
|
Post by Nerameshu on Nov 30, 2011 21:06:12 GMT -5
Oh, they can. (Experience.) They just aren't as focused on them as a Warrior Shinigami would be, for example, since they have more options available to them.
|
|
|
Post by Major on Nov 30, 2011 21:07:59 GMT -5
They can hit things? How do you figure? Most their best abilities suffer penalties to their attacks. Same with most archers. That's why an archer without full BAB is going to suck.
Rapid shot? Many Shot? Web Bow?
|
|
|
Post by blackestofmages on Nov 30, 2011 21:09:57 GMT -5
@ Nera: they're a skillful class with minor spellcasting abilities, and each and every one shown is a sniper beyond compare still, I feel this may be a discussion for another thread.
|
|
turalisj
Lieutenant
Lazy Bastard
Posts: 132
|
Post by turalisj on Nov 30, 2011 21:12:27 GMT -5
+1 skill points, full base attack, and bonus feats. This at least puts them relatively equal to other classes in terms of basic stuff.
|
|
|
Post by Nerameshu on Nov 30, 2011 21:14:10 GMT -5
Heh, I guess I'll be bringing this to the attention of the other behind-the-scenes peeps. But that'll distract me from Ginto. ;P
|
|
|
Post by Major on Nov 30, 2011 21:15:56 GMT -5
Eh, the thing I liked about Quincy was the lack of bonus feats actually. They had actual class features instead of "Here is more feats."
|
|
turalisj
Lieutenant
Lazy Bastard
Posts: 132
|
Post by turalisj on Nov 30, 2011 21:17:07 GMT -5
It's nice, but everyone else gets bonus points.
So instead of it being like "here, class features instead of feats" it seems more like "everyone else get's candy, you get an apple."
|
|
|
Post by Major on Nov 30, 2011 21:20:54 GMT -5
Quincy: -Quincy Cross and Bow (complete with different types of bows, etc) -Spirit Charge -Ginto -Formation Fighting -Favored Enemy -Hirenkyaku -Full Charge -Intensify Charge -Spirit Tap -Upwelling Power -Inner Bow -Spirit Burst -Bow Attributes -Master Shots
Shinigami -Zanpakuto -Shikai -Bankai -Shunpo -Feats -Kido
Fullbringer -Fullbring -Fullbringing -Enhancements -Evolution -Ultimate Evolution -Feats -Unarmed Strike
See the difference?
|
|
turalisj
Lieutenant
Lazy Bastard
Posts: 132
|
Post by turalisj on Nov 30, 2011 21:26:43 GMT -5
Several quincy abilities are dedicated to keeping them from becoming worse than an npc class. One of them is only good under circumstance. Two of those abilities are currently non existent.
The abilities they get also give less customization options for powers. Again though, this is because two abilities do not exist.
|
|
|
Post by Major on Nov 30, 2011 21:31:10 GMT -5
I didn't say all the abilities were finished. My point was the Quincy get (or will get) a crap ton of class features which is why they lack bonus feats.
|
|
|
Post by blackestofmages on Nov 30, 2011 21:32:20 GMT -5
@ Major. you forgot to mention the power to tun their arrows into death lazers by spending spirit charges though I do agree with major, if we do change quincy, the last thing I want to see is "here have anextra 10 feats. go sit with the rest of the homogenous peoples"...
|
|
turalisj
Lieutenant
Lazy Bastard
Posts: 132
|
Post by turalisj on Nov 30, 2011 21:32:25 GMT -5
I'll comment more when the Quincy is finished then. As it stands, a warrior shinigami going ranged attacks could do the Quincy's job better.
|
|
|
Post by Major on Nov 30, 2011 21:34:02 GMT -5
As it stands the Warrior Shinigami is completed and him doing his job has less to do with feats and more to do with BAB, HP, better abilities, better survivability, etc.
|
|