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Post by Major on Sept 14, 2011 14:55:40 GMT -5
In this system will a player with the lowest SEP be just as strong as the person with the max SEP?
Because that is the thing. A low-SEP roll shouldn't doom a character to suck. It should LIMIT him sure. Someone with more SEP should have more options sure. But it shouldn't make a clear cut of power level.
Sure in bleach someone with a higher Spiritual pressure was stronger, but right now unless you make pressure a seventh stat (or have it be tied to another stat) then one roll will determine strength and weakness.
I like the SEP system right now because even if a player rolls low they can say "Whatever, I can't be a Kido user, I'll just be a warrior type."
But now with the suggested change you are saying iv a player rolls low they can say "Whatever, guess I'll suck at everything and have nothing I CAN be good at."
If Shikai cost SEP, what options does a player have when they roll low other than "Be worse at everything than someone with high SEP"?
I see it like this. Say you have a DM that says "roll stats straight down the line". You get an 8 intelligence. Does this make you unable to play any class? No. Sure you can't be a wizard, but you can fall back on Sorcerer, fighter, ranger, etc. Or say your charisma sucks. Ok, no paladin or sorcerer, but you might be able to fall back on another character type. Etc, etc.
I'm not saying make SEP Kido only. I'm saying give SP more uses so that non-kido users still have a reason to enjoy SEP, but don't need it. (like the augmented attack, enduring spirit, etc)
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Post by Ava on Sept 14, 2011 15:15:17 GMT -5
When people throw around big attacks, they are draining resources.
You keep throwing this around like we're going to add it to -every- ability, and going to make it cost a -lot-.
Calm down and be patient.
Also as stated half a dozen times we may not add them at all.
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Post by TheMageKing on Sept 14, 2011 15:37:34 GMT -5
When people throw around big attacks, they are draining resources. You keep throwing this around like we're going to add it to -every- ability, and going to make it cost a -lot-. Calm down and be patient. Also as stated half a dozen times we may not add them at all. And let the guy who's doing a revamp of water abilities work on his suggestions for this, too, so you can see what he's thinking will work.
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Post by Ava on Sept 14, 2011 15:46:14 GMT -5
I'll be posting the revised SP system before making any changes to the Shikai system.
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Post by Nerameshu on Sept 14, 2011 16:50:27 GMT -5
And, I'm just throwing this out there-- We're working on a way to use SP in areas other than just Kido. If you really want SP to be more useful, then, honestly, just sit back and wait to see what we're doing. We're trying to listen to everyone's concerns here, but when everyone is dragging out a dying debate over a topic we should may not even happen, it slows down our progress.
As a contributor to this system, this makes me sad. You, the whole "Arguing-about-something-that-may-not-happen" thing.
As a DM, it pisses me right off. You know, the whole "I-want-to-run-this-game-this-weekend-but-people-are-arguing-about-something-that-may-not-happen" thing.
As a player, I want to see if the system is overpowered first-hand, by playing it, before I truly chime in on this issue.
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Post by Major on Sept 14, 2011 17:08:05 GMT -5
Alright, new question. Why does Sneak Attack have a Charisma pre-req? I could get Dex or Int...but charisma?
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Post by Ava on Sept 14, 2011 17:18:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure.. likely cause I might have copy pasted..
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Post by Nerameshu on Sept 14, 2011 17:20:29 GMT -5
Also, if you take Assassin's blade multiple times, does it increase the number of sneak attack die you gain?
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Post by Ava on Sept 14, 2011 17:25:30 GMT -5
No.
It does eventually allow you to make multiple attacks though.
Increased sneak attack die is Squad 2 feature.
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Post by Major on Sept 14, 2011 17:37:44 GMT -5
So...if we have no idea on why it is charisma why not change it to something that makes more sense?
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Post by blackestofmages on Sept 14, 2011 18:19:18 GMT -5
so, is it ok for me to go on the wiki and make the logial change on sneak attack from cha to dex?
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Post by Nerameshu on Sept 14, 2011 18:20:42 GMT -5
I'll make the change now. I've really just been waiting to hear from Ava first, but I'll tackle it.
EDIT: Now that I'm looking at it, I don't see what you guys were talking about. The Sneak Attack Feat, right?
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Post by blackestofmages on Sept 14, 2011 18:25:26 GMT -5
it appears someone has beat us to it, or major is using a totaly different wiki than the rest of us...
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Post by Nerameshu on Sept 14, 2011 18:26:12 GMT -5
Meh. Either way, made my job easier, lol
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Post by Ava on Sept 14, 2011 18:31:40 GMT -5
I removed the preqs altogether. They were never meant to be there. <<
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