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Post by blackestofmages on Dec 5, 2011 13:23:30 GMT -5
hmmmm, I'd say get a feat 2nd level then every 4 levels thereafter. it gives them some progression, but still leaves spaces open for class features
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Post by Major on Dec 5, 2011 15:50:05 GMT -5
Well, personally, I'm going to houserule that they get full. Going anything between is just plain stupid. Agreed, Full or 3/4 and we all agree 3/4 is lame. One level higher? Do you mean four levels higher? Or is this just a shitty ability only useful for a couple levels? (Rifle is same comment) So it's like a Whipbow but worse because it can be manifested quickly? So at level 1 you have a 5ft thrown range thrown weapon? So you can only stab? At level 6 you get 10ft? Level 11 you get 15? etc etc. Seems...meh. Seems pretty good. The -2 seems a nice balancing factor though it means duel-wielding pistols with TWF will incur a -4, but I suppose it isn't too bad considering web bow is a -5 and has other benefits. ----- Also I want to comment at Flarelord that most DMs probably wouldn't mind if you fluffed a crossbow bow as pistols or a rifle as a long bow, etc etc. Thus these give the options of a mechanical bonus you want, but shouldn't limit the fluff you want. Picking different weapons SHOULD give a mechanical change thus the reason for so many options. ------- As for the bonus feats I wouldn't mind a combat style type feat progression. I was just against the general "Here is feats. You have more class abilities than all the others and the feats". Combat style actually makes sense and helps get ranged feats. Perhaps rather than a melee seehle one, make that an ACF. It trades out the free archery feats for a few feats MADE for the seehle
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Post by blackestofmages on Dec 5, 2011 16:09:55 GMT -5
@ major: thrown weapon one is only the area thing as a choice, in addition to normal attacks and range (so he has a thrown weapon with a 45ft range 0.o) Handbow: He stole that one strait from me, where I forgot about the whip-bow (though he got rid of my whip option )
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Post by Major on Dec 5, 2011 16:18:47 GMT -5
Eh, handbow is kinda super crappy in that case. I'm commenting on it now because they were all posted at once.
As for thrown only being on that attack and using normal range that's better then.
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Post by Nerameshu on Dec 5, 2011 22:07:01 GMT -5
Technically, BoM, they're all your things, just with a little modification. In fact, I copy & pasted the Bow Attributes directly into notepad and went about checking them all. Major: The Crossbow has always been one level higher. BoM just recently changed it to four levels higher, a change I don't agree with. Rifle, though, is made to mirror the crossbow, but with additional stuff. Handbow is a bit worse, I'll agree, but mainly because I forgot the part about dual-wielding. However, it is a weapon that gives a Quincy more opportunity to use AoO without provoking any of their own. Finally, someone agrees with me about BoM's pistol design. Lastly, on feats, I agree with a limited combat style progression. Let me look over the Quincy class features and see just which ones we need. (Suggestions are welcome, but please PM them to me so I don't need to dig through them.) Oh, actually, this is the last thing: You guys stop reading my mind about alternate classes! I was already planning a Seele Schneider Quincy class.
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Post by blackestofmages on Dec 5, 2011 22:22:19 GMT -5
1 level higher is crap, and the wording implies it should be 4 levels higher right from the start. 1 level higher means that it does no more damage except 1 in 4 levels, compared to longbow having power attack, and web-bow having doible attacks... and 4 levels higher increases the average damage by 1, which is still crap, but less so if it's supposed to be 1 level, then that should be entierly reworked as it is unmitigated crap. they're already the weakest class, be nice to them would you and BoM changed his pistol desgin, if someone bothers to read, but nooooo, you're nera and reading is below you and Ava started a sheele schnieder class previously, so your all just stealing that
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Post by Nerameshu on Dec 5, 2011 22:34:45 GMT -5
Ah, but BoM's pistol design was copy and pasted directly into Notepad for my reading pleasure, at which point I added in critique's from other people. And it's true that Ava started one, be she hasn't finished it (assuming she had the chance to start). I don't think it would be too bad for me to attempt to pick it up, do you? About the crossbow and rifle damage, though, I considered changing both to a static bonus to damage... Rifle already has that, in the form of +Quincy level, but it got late for me before I could work on the crossbow anymore that where it was at.
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Post by blackestofmages on Dec 6, 2011 1:05:39 GMT -5
I'd just stick with the 4 level higher. it's nice without being too overpowering (rifle was a bit OTT with the + character level tbh). don't forget they get other perks too (crossbow making all those d6s from abilities into d8s *drool*) to make up for it we're not complaining about you picking it up. we're complaining about the +1 level thing. I just wanted to insult someone. sorry and BoM changed his pistol to getting bonus damage when enhancing using spirit charges
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Post by Major on Dec 6, 2011 1:13:04 GMT -5
+1 level is useless, plain and simple.
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Post by falleneco on Dec 6, 2011 5:43:52 GMT -5
As someone playtesting the Quincy class, I am biased, but if the Quincy can't hit the Hollows with regularity, then they can't destroy souls. No destroyed souls, no shinigami/quincy extermination. Which kills the canon.
So yeah...I am voting full. For Canon
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Post by blackestofmages on Dec 6, 2011 9:39:59 GMT -5
but if we go cannon then everyone but suckigami should suck, quincy should somehoe have been effective and beyond crápé, and hollows wouldn't have a clue what the hell was going on?
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Post by turalisj on Dec 6, 2011 12:13:15 GMT -5
Blackest, don't make me smack you upside the head again.
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Post by blackestofmages on Dec 6, 2011 12:29:03 GMT -5
hey, right now I'm making a fair point about inter-class balance. it's kinda the whole reason I'm on the team, thus I'm doing my job. and I'm stopping quincy from ending up like they are in the manga, which is where you wonder how any of them managed to be threat because Ishida is a but monkey of the highest degree after soul society, when Renjii took his job... but still, if you want quincies to have to loose to everything, go right ahead
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Post by turalisj on Dec 6, 2011 12:46:47 GMT -5
If that's the case, then Fullbringers should be able to get killed by a 3rd seat officer who didn't even use his shikai
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Post by blackestofmages on Dec 6, 2011 13:00:22 GMT -5
true, hence why I was saying we're not doing it that way though one of those fullbringers managed to give a captain a run for his money, and the other took down rrukia, who's supposed to be around the level of 3rd seat +... and chad can fight against Espada so your mileage may vary
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