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Post by rater202 on May 6, 2013 16:11:56 GMT -5
I went back and changed Jäger to account to the changes done to the Quincy base class.
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Post by blackestofmages on May 6, 2013 19:12:35 GMT -5
right, let's get too this then :3 Special: have levels in a prestige class that grants a Zanpakuto to a living human so, wait, if I take substitute shinigami for the quincy I quallify for this class? that seems to come completly from left field for the shinigami/fullbringer hybrid. I'd recomend dropping this part. is there a reason for this one, may I ask? since this is higher than the hit dice for the fullbringer, so I can't see the reasoning (other than 'I like hpz') ok, no. no no no no no no no no no no no. and no. this is rediculously powerful - it gives a large number of fullbring abilities for no cost whatsoever. The initial one is fine, but then it gives me 5 free fullbring abilities without needing to spend anything on it, and thats assuming I don't take any other PrCs for a further gain. It's much, much stronger than the fullbringer or quincy equivelant, what with having the quincy's gaining method but offeirng much, much more power. and it's not even like you can say "but the substitute gets something at level 2/4 so this is fair", because that is them spending a PrC level to gain those abilities, whilst this gives 5 for free for paying 1 prestige level. and since it's gaining fullbringer powers, not only does it gain the better gaining style at a faster rate than the others, but what it gains are much, much stronger than the other ones. This needs to be changed. 1 prestige level should not get that much power. Either make it so they gain abilities by taking levels in the PrC, or some sort of trade in. because min 5 fullbring abilities just for taking one level in a PrC is taking the piss. Hmmm, a little worried about the expert gaining +5 ac for free being a little out of balance with the other two, but other than that these two look OK. whew, where to start? even when we cut out the ultimate evolution this is still obscene as heck*. This one level grants you 4 shikai abilities, two fullbringer ability AND a bankai ability AND enhances the duration of bankai AND a permenantly evolved fullbring ability? in addition to two other fullbring abilities from the first ability (but thats an isue I have with the first ability not this one) that DO evolve. even if the abilities granted by this aren't supercharged by activating bankai, they still grant them at a rate when compared to any other class they're effectivly already at bankai level this could eaisly make 3 capstones. Granting one of the shinigami's strongest abilities is capstone equivelant, and in addition to that we include the duration of the shinigami's strongest ability in one, which although not capstone worthy in and of itself is still a very, very prominent ability. then it gains the class features of taking 4 levels in both fullbringer and shinigami. I mean, wow. just wow. Consider that we give one bankai ability as a capstone already in 3 classes, surely something must have ticked on that 1 bankai ability and a metric ton of other goodies as well would be overpowered as heck? especially since this was initually a bankai ability and an ultimate evolution all in all, the first and capstone ability need to be changed badly to even be considered close to playable, as right now this PrC is such a no-brained to take since it gives 1 less fullbring abilities as the fullbringer base class alone, pluss everything the fullbringer can do, plus goodies on top of that. not taking it shoots me in the foot, and it's also so good not playing a shinigami/shinigami hybrid shoots you in the foot because you can't have it. * and with the ultimate it'd let you get the fullbringer capstone at level 15... I'd say make it just shinigami - or else I can make my quincy/shinigami hybrid gain fullbringer powers. it may be cannonical (and be ichigo) but it's just getting too hybridized there... I'd be fine with that.
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Post by rater202 on May 6, 2013 20:12:15 GMT -5
I a seem to have forgotten to include a clause I meant to incorporate, in the first ability, which would state that Fullbring abilities gained through advancement could not Exceed ones Evolved Substitute level. Also it only counts Shikai gained From base class levels so the prestige class comment is
I Know the capstone is Super broken, I even tried to nerf it before posting, note that the abilities granted don't double or evolve.
I was originally going to make this a 10 leveler, but most of the Hybrid classes are level five, afterwards I forgot to take out the ultimate evolution from the capstone.
I am going to revise the class once I am done with finals. How dose this sound for a nerfed Capstone: 2 shikai, one fullbring and Either a bankai, or a perma-evolved fullbring?
This really is not my best Work, I did that in twenty minutes and the whole reason I posted it was to get feed back for the final draft, which I thank you for. In Hindsight I probably should have specified that
This Isnt so mch a Shinigami/Fullbringer as it is a Substitute/Fullbringer since it is based off the assumption that none of the Fullbringers were lying when they said that Fullbringers and Substitutes could freely exchange their powers. It wouldn't be as easy just taking substitute shinigami, you would also need to have a the potential for Fullbring, represented by the Spiritual tradition feat, or find a Fullbringer willing to part with their abilities and convince them to give them to you. though in retrospect that may work better as a separate class. Ichigo is more someone Who had the potential to Gain a Zanpakuto, Fullbring, or Quincy powers, in that order, than rapidly level grinded until he hit twenty in each class, the took a prestige to merge his abilities together.
If I had to stat him I'd Gestalt together Warrior and Expert, take that to Fifteen, five levels of vizards, retroactively give him this broken rough draft version of the class back at level one, and have him take that to fifteen using the currently nonexistent level 6 or beyond rules, and finally have him use the optional multiclass rules to pick up Quincy levels. and Honestly if a Player Talks their GM Into letting them do all that, he's probably earned it.
We need to introduce Mr. welch to this System, that totally sounds like it belongs on his list.
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Post by rater202 on May 10, 2013 10:36:14 GMT -5
Okay, I have My revised Evolved Substitute ready for posting. I hope this version is better than the Previous. Evolved Substitute It is said that a Substitute Shinigami and a Fullbringer can free share their powers. This happens for various reason, such as to seal an alliance or because one party hates their powers and wishes to be rid of them. when a substitute gives their power to a fullbringer, said fullbringer Himself becomes a substitute; but when the substitute receives power from the fullbringer, the substitutes power begins to transcend that of a Shinigami. Rarely someone with a dormant Fullbring will become a substitute, when this happens and the substitute later awakes their hereditary power, the effect is nearly Identical. PrerequisitesLevel: Must be level 10 or higher when you take this class Class Features: Shikai Feats: Alive, Living Shinigami, Spiritual Tradition(Fullbringer) or Special: must have had a fullbringer transfer their powers to you Special: if you qualify for this class by having a fullbringer’s powers transferred to you, you must pick abilities that are at least somewhat similar to the one who gave you their powers. Hit dice: D8 or base class Still working on tables Evolved Zanpakuto: As you have awakened your Fullbring, you will need an Item with which to channel it. What a better tool than the Sword that holds the power of your soul? In addition to making your Released states more ornate, upon taking your first level in this class you gain two fullbring abilities. at levels three and five you gain an additional Fullbring ability. you are considered to have the weapon fullbring ability, for the purpose of prerequisites You may take the feat expanded Fullbring. Fullbringing: As the fullbringer class feature. Evolved Reiatsu: Your spiritual energy is beginning to transcend the potential it had before. If you were a Warrior shinigami you add your Evolved Substitute level to your Zanpakuto damage rolls, if you were an expert Shinigami you gain it as a dodge bonus, and if were a Kido Shinigami you add it as a bonus to all Kido rolls, other than to hit. Perfect Communication: Being able to commune with the spirits of inanimate objects has given you great insight on how to best Speak with the soul of the sword that serves as the avatar of your power. You gain Soul Companion as a Bonus Feat, if you already posses Soul companion you may select Expanded Fullbring or One Zanpakuto Feat for which you qualify to take in its place. Improved Air walking: By merging your Shinigami Reiatsu With the power of your Fullbring, you can improve your air walking abilities. You may walk on water or balance on are While in your Physical body, in a spiritual plane, or both. Doing one of those actions increases the DC of the balance Check by 5. Doing both increases the DC by 10. Evolved Bankai: From now on, when you enter Bankai all Fullbring abilities you possess through class features are considered to be in their evolved state. Constant release: your connection to the spirit of your power has allowed you to transcend the normal limits of the Initial release. You gain constant release as a bonus feat. If you already posses constant release, or for some reason do not have a proper shikai, than you instead gain either expanded fullbring or a single Zanpakuto feat that you qualify for. Transcendental Perception: Your hybridized powers allow you to sense reiatsu much better than either of your component powers. You add your Evolved Substitute levels as a bonus to all sense motive checks to sense reiatsu. In addition, you may spend a full round action focusing on a specific reiatsu signature to gain the ability to track said signature as though you had the scent ability. like a hollow, this ability is not tied to actual scent. You may only track one reiatsu signature at a time and can only hold a “scent” for 24 hours. Twin Powered Soul: Similarly to a Fullbringer who possesses the powers of a Shinigami, you have the ability to temporarily force your power to become fully Shinigami of Fully Fullbring. You may as a Full round action shift your Zanpakuto into one of two alternate forms. the first of these forms exchanges all of your obtained fullbring abilities for shikai abilities. the second allows you to exchange all of your shikai abilities for Fullbring abilities, at a two for one rate( 1 Fullbring for 2 Shikai) this transformation lasts until the end of combat or four five minutes, whichever comes first. This ability also affects Bankai. When your Pure shinigami form is in bankai all abilities are doubled as normal, although Zanpakuto abilities gained by exchanging Fullbring abilities gained by feats are not doubled. When your purely fullbring form enters bankai, all abilities evolve as normal, though fullbring bilities gained from exchanging shikai abilities gained from feats do not evolve. Bankai Abilities are exchanged for fullbring abilities at a one for one rate. Such gained abilities are considered to be Evolved. Levels Beyond Five: The Evolved Substitute does not stop Improving his fullbring just because he has mastered use of his new powers. An Evolved Substitute can continue taking levels in in this class indefinitely. at each level he increases his bonus granted by Evolved Reiatsu as normal. In addition, at every Odd numbered level, the Evolved Substitute Gains an additional Fullbring ability. and here is the doc File. docs.google.com/document/d/1w-m0zbfiuopzurEic0GPY8ntlW2Ayrmwj6w9JF-p9y8/edit
Is this better? As before I am a bit worried about the capstone?
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Post by blackestofmages on May 10, 2013 14:53:45 GMT -5
this looks good. The capstone is no longer almost as class unto itslef, and fits very well actually, I'd say the 1st level ability goes too far in the other direction - I'd drop the line about the feat limit as, well, they have to pay for feats
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Post by rater202 on May 10, 2013 17:02:06 GMT -5
Done ;D
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Post by rater202 on May 10, 2013 20:45:50 GMT -5
What is the teams opinion on reworking prestige classes that are already on the wiki? I have some Ideas for a reworked Ketsugo if anyone is Interested.
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Post by rater202 on May 11, 2013 20:29:28 GMT -5
I don't know if you are in the market for Epic content Just yet, But the inspiration struck, and I can not deny it. The following is an Epic prestige Class So that Arrancar can go from imitating shinigami, to being Shinigami( kind of)
Dios de la Muerte An Arrancar is supposed to be a Hollow with the abilities of a Shinigami, but despite the claims of Sosuke Aizen, they are a poor substitute. Do not mistake my criticism for disdainment, the Arrancar are indeed powerful, but only a rare, powerful few truly wield the power that they all emulate. PrerequisitesLevel:21+ Class features: Vasto Lorde, Zanpakuto, Resurrección, Arrancar Evolution. Feats: Blooded, Weapon focus(Zanpakuto), Weapon Specialization(Zanpakuto), Zanjutsu Mastery Skills: Knowledge(Hueco Mundo) 20+, Knowledge(Soul Society) 20+ Special: Must have devoured a Shinigami, or posses the Shinigami version of the Spiritual Tradition feat. Hit dice: D12 Still can not do tables Arrancar Advancement: Levels of Dios De la Muerte count as levels of Arrancar for the purpose of the acquisition of Zanpakuto abilities. True Zanpakuto: Your Zanpakuto is Identical to that of a Shinigami. It has a Spirit that can be communicated with, and manifested, like a shinigami’s (the spirit resembles your original hollow form). It purifies souls, it can be used to perform Konso, and is otherwise Identical to a shinigami’s. Constant Release: Gain Constant Release as a bonus feat. If constant release is already possessed, instead gain a single Zanpakuto feat that you meet the prerequisites for. Death God Ascension: At level 2 the Arrancar gains the Shinigami subtype, and two shikai abilities that are in addition to the ones gained by normal level progression. At levels 4, 6, 8, and 10 he gains 2 additional Shikai abilities. Bonus Feat: at levels 3 and 7 the arrancar gains a single bonus feat that he must meet the prerequisites for. Final Resurrección: Your resurreccion is now truly equivocal to a Shinigami's bankai. All shikai abilities, not gained from feats, are doubled when entering Resurreccion. Death God’s Cero: This ability is a potent Cero morph and Cero essence Negacion. the cero’s rang is tripled, it is 10 feet wide, and deals 2 dice of damage for every SEP spent to power it. It is also considered to deal Fire, cold, Electric, acid and Sonic damage, all simultaneously. Immunity does not apply unless the targets are immune to all Five energy types, and resistances are divided by five. so a character with Fire resistance 10, would have 2 resistance against the death gods cero, while a character with Resistance ten to all Five energy types would have resistance to all energy types. This Negacion may only be used in Resureccion. King of the Desert: Your power now dwarfs that of all lesser Arrancar and Hollows, with only those who have developed a second resurreccion even coming close to challenging you. the Darwinian instincts of such lesser Creatures forces them to recognize your Authority. Add your Character level to all bluff, sense motive, diplomacy, and intimidate checks to any creature with the Hollow subtype. Furthermore you gain either a bonus Bankai ability, or a Single Vasto lorde level ability, that is available only while in Resurreccion.
I know this seams powerful, but keep in mind that this is Epic level Stuff. As always I leave a link to the Doc file docs.google.com/document/d/1HNu43d7f7c2fbMxnBite6MuspsmA3FbrzhcZsUeybg0/edit
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Post by blackestofmages on May 11, 2013 21:05:05 GMT -5
What is the teams opinion on reworking prestige classes that are already on the wiki? I have some Ideas for a reworked Ketsugo if anyone is Interested. we do need to rework a few of them.
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Post by turalisj on May 12, 2013 0:28:25 GMT -5
I think Arrancar needs to be reworked
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Post by blackestofmages on May 12, 2013 0:44:30 GMT -5
I think Arrancar needs to be reworked of course you do.
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Post by blackestofmages on May 12, 2013 0:49:08 GMT -5
so, since espada apparently doesn't compare to other PrCs or something due to not having options, i'll be expanding it.
but I'm stuck on something. anyone got any ideas (other than give them hollow abilities) for apsects of despair, intoxication and madness?
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Post by rater202 on May 12, 2013 7:49:38 GMT -5
Madness could be, dealing in effects similar to the spell insanity, or Tasha's hideous laughter from 3.5, or with Chaotic Effects.
Intoxication could have Poisons that that or other abilities that affect both mental and physical ability scores, like ability drain to both DEX and WIS
Despair is a tricky one, perhaps an Effect similar to crushing despair?
are you using just the canon aspects, or are you extrapolating? because you will note that teir are some missing from the Espada's ranks, such as sickness, or hunger. Though Nel could have been sickness now that I think about it.
by the way, what do you think of Dios de la Muerte?
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Post by blackestofmages on May 12, 2013 19:39:08 GMT -5
I'm so far going mostly for the cannon ones, just because they're there. I might make some others as well, just o add extra options, but a choice of 10 should be enough for everyone (and probably get the vizard moaning that the espada gets more options or something equally as unrelated ) though I'd assume sickness is related to time (as it often is in other things). there could also be an argument made for nell to be sacrifice, same as the other no 3 harribel (such as her most prominent power being to intercept others attacks and then turn them against them) hunger might be a good one to add (I'd assume no 9 was hunger till I looked XD )
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Post by blackestofmages on May 12, 2013 19:39:57 GMT -5
also, the epic PrC looks ok mechanically I don't much like the theme, but thats my pet peeve of disliking crossover classes playing up again XD
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